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Public Square Redesign
jtaylor Says:Public Square definitely needs to be redesigned. People need open, public spaces. However, Public Square needs to be more than just more "open"; it needs to be more green as well. New York would not be what it is today if a few visionaries hadn't taken time to lobby for the protection of what is now Central Park. Clevelanders need a central, public park that has a grass lawn connecting the four quadrants....not brick or asphalt. We need to be coming up with designs that create more green space for people to utilize.
A better design would involve the Removing the intersection of Ontario and Superior and replacing it with a large landscaped grass lawn.
The proposed brick plaza idea mentioned in the article will only cause more people to walk through Public Square, not stay and relax there. The problem is this....the proposal doesn't change Public Square into a destination.....that is a major issue. The list of troubled public spaces which the article refered to (created by the Project for Public Spaces) has several squares and piazzas listed that have the same design as the proposal for Public Square. The reason they are on a list of the top 25 public spaces in need of redesign is because they simply help move people from one place to another and don't cause them to stay and enjoy the space.
While it may be true that events could be held in this new piazza design in order to attract people, the site itself will not attract people. If Public Square is redesigned to become one central park...then people will go to the park regardless of whether there is an event because the space is the destination, not just an event. With Public Square as one park, you can still hold events, and they will definitely attract more people, but you are ensuring that the space will attract people even without anything extra.
If Public Square can become a destination in and of itself, then it can be the economic catalyst that the city needs. It will connect the surrounding districts, give residents a place to congregate, attract people to the center of the city (feeding all the surrounding businesses), cause people to stay longer downtown, and will increase the asthetic appeal of the city.
Good point overall
Stephen Gross Says:(1) I agree that a rotary traffic pattern makes sense for public square. There are a few things to keep in mind in so doing, however. The rotary should be designed to *limit* driving speed, not increase it. We want pedestrians to be encouraged to use the public square space, which means that traffic speed has to be kept slow.
(2) The park concept is pretty solid, overall. A multi-function space in the middle will probably prove the most useful: skating rinks in the winter, orchestra concerts in the summer, etc.
(3) Let's make sure that kiosks/vendors *are* allowed in the park. If it only functions as a park--if it bars commercial uses of the space--pedestrians may stay away. Assuming we want to get the lunch crowd out there, we'll need to have food options available.
(4) Converting public square will eliminate some parking downtown; we have to figure out whether and how to replace those parking spaces.
Public Square Design Competition
BFink Says:There is a ton of unrealized potential at Public Square and many great ways to program and redesign the space. A Parkworks-organized open design competition may present some of the best ideas for how to do this and generate the excitement and momentum needed to make it happen.
the river, the mall or PUBLIC SQUARE?
Susan Miller Says:I had to LOL when I cruised over to Patrick Hyland's website this evening and looked at his portfolio with plans for Public Square.
With all the hand wringing over where to put Cleveland's next great debacle (a big box right in downtown that has the promise of the Richfield Coliseum), I was surprised to see that Patrick has given us lots of ideas for Public Square. He's a freakin’ one man design competition for the Square!
Can't wait to see the one where he puts the MedicalConCenter on the Square; what a compromise that would be! No danger of falling in... or is there?
Wasn't it David Byrne who had the song about “water flowing underground – same as it ever was” back in the 80s or 90s or something like that?
Somehow this Public Square seems to have become lost in the shuffle (uh... would that be the shuffle of cards that we have built our house of?)
At the public hearing with the Chris Kennedy show (which one was that? I think he did it twice), I asked former Cleveland City Planner, Hunter Morrison what we would do with the Mall site if we didn't build something there, and he said, “the taxpayers of Cleveland will continue to pay to run the pumps that keep the water out of the current underground convention center”. Hmmmm… did we know we’re running pumps down there?
If the BOCC decides to cantilever a huge structure off the side of Ontario perched on the river like a buzzard on a birch branch and we have the hundred year flood (the last one was in 1913), well... somethin's gonna give...
But if we put it right on Public Square it might just stay afloat. Otherwise the IX-Center with a makeover looks pretty good, eh?
How much tax have we collected for this white elephant so far? Maybe we coulda, woulda, shoulda put it on the ballot last summer. But the circus wouldn't have been nearly as good as it's getting right about now.
brilliant satire or next wave urban planning?
Marc Lefkowitz Says:Patrick Hyland deserves some kind of medal for the daring he brings to re-envisioning Public Square. I agree, Public Square has seen its better days. Why not breath some fresh ideas into the space including programming and break down what works and what doesn't in each quadrant. As a whole, are we so unaccustomed to using public spaces that a space devoid of activity and the lure of commerce is lost on us? If so, let's indeed commoditize and brand "Public" Square in a way that supports use but also invites us to stay awhile -- we need a great plaza like they have in European cities that has cool sculpture and movable chairs to sit and stare and sip an espresso or space to throw a frisbee. Let's re-invent it!
RE: Public Square Design Competition
Robert Donaldson Says:I'd have to agree that the best way to create a public dialogue would be to have a public competition. But, it would make sense to make it a call for ideas. With a call for ideas, competition organizers could view a variety of potential options and combine them into a single project.
Also, the call for ideas would have to not be limited to a local scale but to a national or international scale. This would actually garner more interest in a Public Square project and more interest in Cleveland.
I'd personally enjoy helping out with something like this not to mention suggesting whatever ideas I'd come up with.